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8-05-02
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8-05-02

(This was an introduction that I made to a private discussion forum and I incude it here as it will be an important reference point for the rest that will follow. “Salvia divinorum is an extraordinary herb used in shamanism, divination, healing, meditation, and the exploration of consciousness.” For more information on Salvia Divinorum, see http://www.sagewisdom.org/ )

8-05-02

Hi. My names marc and i came to this forum in hopes that i would meet some people who also recognize the amazing commonalities between salvias teachings and the nondual teachings. well, it didnt take long for someone (thanks John)to throw out a great Ramana Maharshi quote so I thought i’d jump in and see if theres any takers.
For those not familiar with that term, what I refer to as the nondual teachings are commonly referred to as the Perennial teachings, completion teachings, final teachings, highest, supreme, secret etc. All major relgions have one. Hindus have Advaita. Buddhists have Zen, Dzogchen, Ch’an (depending on the region). Muslims have Sufi’s. Christians have Gnostics. All these esoteric counterparts are what I (well, not just me of course) refer to as the nondual teachings since that is what they all come down to. The Truth of Not-Two.
Its pretty intense and as frightening as salvia space if you get real deep into it. What all these teachings are imparting is the cold hard fact that there is no ‘you’. Thats the joke. There is truly nothing except Awareness. (There is only Ati, there is nothing but God, Only Brahman exists etc.)Everything we take our selves/world to be is merely the functioning of Awareness. So, there truly are no nouns. Just verbs or rather movements of Awareness. What we consider our selves to be is actually the ‘happening’ of god.
The beauty of all this is that anyone can see immediately into their true nature if they would just look for them selves. Its as simple as that. Just look at what you are looking out of. Or as Ramana Maharshi puts it, (loosely put) “Inquire into who you really are until there is no one left to inquire”. Anyone that does this will discover that the ‘i’ is actually just a psychological tension of thoughts, memories, impressions, etc. This tension or ‘i’ is the functioning of who you really really are which is the Supreme Source of everything.
The reason I emphasize this for those not familar with this is because the implications appear incredulous when glanced upon. “I dont exist” “I’m actually God” or what got me was “There is actually only one Subject”. In other words, all of our lives are happening to the same One simultaneously. The only One. I think that this is what salvia is telling us, at least in the level 5 sense of salvia.
Recently, I posted something to a salvia mailing list about this but no one seemed familiar with what I was talking about or maybe no one cared. Let me repost here and hopefully someone else will see the conections.

These seem to be the core things that salvia teaches in a level 5 experience.

a) A lesson in ‘Being’. We are shown what it is to simply ‘Be’ as pure naked Awareness. No personal idenity, no sense of self, nothing to call ‘you’. Just our most basic and fundamental essence which is formless, eternal and most importantly, prior to what we had considered to be us.
b) A lesson in ‘Reality’. Sagespace is seen to be more ‘real’ than consensual reality. Consensual reality actually yields or disappears to reveal sagespace which is recognized at once to have always been there regardless of whether we are ‘there’ or not.
c) A lesson in ‘Death’. The entrance fee to Sagespace is ones life. One must completely surrender his or her life to the Void.
d) A lesson in ‘No-boundaries’. We experience first hand that the currentborders that we have come to rely on for our identity are not inherent to our natural state. While besaged, ones boundaries may disolve to the point that he or she merges with the carpet, the room, the house or even the Infinite.
e) A lesson in ‘Timelessness’. Here it is Seen that time is a mere concept that only appears as a mental construct and ultimately has no real existence
f) A lesson in ‘God’. The most Supreme lesson that salvia teaches us is that we are in fact the Supreme Source and all of its manifestations. One
discovers or remembers that he or she is nothing less than God. That is to say that we have always been the Primordial Essence behind everything. Our
true nature is revealed to be Infinite and Self Perfected.

Now, you are probably thinking the same thing that I am as I am writing this which is that this all these lessons sound very redundant or at the very least overlapping. Yes, this is the case and the reason for this is because there really is only one lesson imparted in Sagespace and that is the simple truth of inseperability or ‘No-duality’.
This is not just me saying this, even the FAQ on Sieberts site defines a level 5 experience as completely and wholly nondual in nature whereas all the prior levels are described as being dualistic in nature. Here is the description of a level 5 experience on the salvia FAQ: “Individuality may be lost; one experiences
merging with God/dess, mind, universal consciousness, or bizarre fusions with other objects real or imagined, e.g. merging with a wall may be experienced.”
This description is exactly what one finds in the nondual teachings. Just look at the phrases; losing individuality, merging with God, fusing with objects etc. So, I’d like to go back over salvia’s lessons and compare them to some quotes from nondual teachers in different traditions.

a) A lesson in ‘Being’. We are shown what it is to simply ‘Be’ as pure naked Awareness. No personal idenity, no sense of self, nothing to call ‘you’. Just our most basic and fundamental essence which is formless, eternal and most importantly, prior to what we had considered to be us.

Chang-Tzu—
“All that has form, sound, color, may be classed under the head of thing…But one can attain to formlessness and vanquish death. And with that
which is in possession of the eternal, how can things compare?”

b) A lesson in ‘Reality’. Sagespace is seen to be more ‘real’ than consensual reality. Consensual reality actually yields or disappears to reveal sagespace which is recognized at once to have always been there regardless of whether we are ‘there’ or not.

Poonja—
“Nothing has ever existed; not even the creators who created creations.Much beyond that. There nobody exists. There the sun doesn’t shine, there
the moon doesn’t reflect, there the stars don’t appear.”

c) A lesson in ‘Death’. The entrance fee to Sagespace is ones life. One must completely surrender his or her life to the Void.

Nisargadatta Maharaj—
“Have your being outside this body of birth and death, and all your problemsill be resolved. They exist because you believe your self born to die.
Undeceive your self and be free. You are not a person.”

d) A lesson in ‘No-boundaries’. We experience first hand that the current borders that we have come to rely on for our identity are not inherent to our natural state. While besaged, ones boundaries may disolve to the point that he or she merges with the carpet, the room, the house or even the Infinite.

Nisargadatta Maharaj—
“Once the false notion “I am the body” has been removed, Supreme Consciousness or the Self alone remains and in people’spresent state of knowledge they call this “Realization”. But the truth isthat Realization is eternal and already exists, here and now.”

e) A lesson in ‘Timelessness’. Here it is Seen that time is a mere concept that only appears as a mental construct and ultimately has no real existence

Meister Eckhart—
“The inward man is not at all in time or place, but is purely and simply in eternity.”

Gatha—
“Pure and clean is the nature of all sentient beings. Since it was never
created it can not be destroyed.”

f) A lesson in ‘God’. The most Supreme lesson that salvia teaches us is that we are in fact the Supreme Source and all of its manifestations. One
discovers or remembers that he or she is nothing less than God. That is to say that we have always been the Primordial Essence behind everything. Our
true nature is revealed to be Infinite and Self Perfected.

Huang-Po—
“To awaken suddenly to the fact that your own Mind is the Buddha, that there is nothing to be attained or a single action to be performed, this is the Supreme Way.”

Meister Eckhart—
“I must become God, and God must become me, so completely that we share the same ‘I’ eternally. Our truest ‘I’ is God.”

Anyone that has had repeated exposure to
Sagespace has been shown that he or she is part of a cosmic pattern that makes up the Infinite and on other times it has been revealed that you are in fact not a mere part of ‘It’ but ‘It’ itself.


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Hi Marc….interesting comments, thank you. I am not a member of this forum but have been interested in nondual teachings for many years. Now I’m interested in the experiences with salvia also. Would you have a problem contacting me by email to discuss this? thanks gary

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